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Muhammad Soleh: “Az merosi Karimov boyad na tanho uzbekho, balki toҷikon niz xalos shavand” VIDEO

Muhammad Soleh: “Az merosi Karimov boyad na tanho uzbekho, balki toҷikon niz xalos shavand” VIDEO
12 Aralık 2019 - 11:17 'da yuklandi va 546 marta o'qildi.

Muhammad Soleh, raisi “Harakati mardumii Uzbekiston”, dar rӯzhoe, ki kishvarhoi Avrupoi Sharqӣ 30-yumin solgardi furӯposhii Shӯravii peshinro taҷlil mekunand, ba Praga omad. Ӯ dar intixoboti prezidentii soli 1991 dar Uzbekiston raqibi Islom Karimov bud va soli 1994 kishvarro tark kard. Holo dar xoriҷa zindagӣ mekunad. Muhammad Soleh hangomi safarash ba Praga ba chand suoli Radioi Ozodӣ dar borai vaz'i hozirai Uzbekiston va ravobiti in kishvar bo Toҷikiston posux dod.​

Radioi Ozodӣ: 25 sol meshavad, ki dar xoriҷ az Uzbekiston zindagӣ mekuned. Charo to kunun ba vatan barnagashted?

Muhammad Soleh: “Ba dalelhoi siyosӣ hanӯz natavonistaam ba Uzbekiston bargardam. Rejimi Islom Karimov dar 27 soli sari qudrat budan ba mo natanho ba haysi yak raqib, hatto ba haysi yak dushman menigarist. Moro ba mardum ba haysi dushmani Uzbekiston muarrifӣ mekard. Ba nazar merasad, rohbariyati kununӣ niz hanӯz az in andesha dast nakashidaast. Harchand umed dorem, vale rohi bozgasht ba Uzbekiston hanӯz basta ast.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Oyo xohishi bargashtan ba Uzbekistonro dar ҷoe matrah karded? Oyo dar in bora bo namoyandahoi davlat ham muloqot doshted?

Muhammad Soleh: “Albatta. Man muloqote anҷom nadodaam, vale ba tavri rasmӣ noma navishtam. Nomai yakum baroi siposguzorӣ az ozodshavii barodaram bud va dar nomai duvum xohishi bargashtan ba Uzbekistonro karda budam. Az davlati Uzbekiston taqozo kardam, ki maro ba tavri rasmӣ safed kunand. In nomaro shaxsan ba prezident Shavkat Mirziyoev firistodam, vale hech ҷavob naomad.

Radioi Ozodӣ: Ba har hol, Shavkat Mirziyoev bo “harifi doimӣ”-i Shumo — Islom Karimov — farq mekunad, vale fikr mekuned, chiro ba bargashtani Shumo ba Uzbekiston mamoniat mekunand?

Muhammad Soleh: “Man niz fikr mekardam, ki Shavkat Mirziyoev siyosatmadorest, ki bo Karimov kullan farq mekunad. Fikr mekardam, ӯ shaxsi digar ast va aqidai digar dorad. Vale didam, ki siyosati ӯ nisbat ba man az siyosati Karimov tafovut nadorad. Inro pas az se sol megӯyam, chun man tӯli in muddat az in mard tavaqqu' doshtam, ki islohoti doxiliro ba anҷom merasonad. Man, ba haysi rohbari muxolifin va payravonam dar harakat, se soli guzashtaro bo intizorӣ siparӣ kardem. Mutaassifona, hech guna tag'yiroti siyosӣ rux nadod.

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Radioi Ozodӣ: Fikr mekuned, ki hech islohote anҷom nashud?

Muhammad Soleh: “Islohoti siyosӣ nabud. Man inro bo bovarӣ megӯyam. Ore, dar zaminai iqtisodӣ ba'ze az tahavvulot rux dod. Iqdome ba sӯi ozodigaroӣ dida meshud. Vale, az nigohi siyosӣ hech tag'yirot anҷom nashud. Agar tag'yirote meshud, imrӯz faqat hamon chahor hizbe, ki dar davroni Karimov ta'sis shuda budand, dar intixoboti qaribulvuqu' shirkat namekardand. Ammo faqat hamin chahor hizb be hech tag'yir dar intixobot shirkat mevarzand. Ya'ne, dar fazoi siyosӣ hizbi tozae hanӯz paydo nashudaaast.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Siyosati xoriҷii kishvarro chӣ guna arzyobӣ mekuned? Agar ba munosiboti Uzbekiston bo Toҷikiston bingarem, mebinem, ki Shavkat Mirziyoev yaxi ravobitro ob kard. Tavre ҷonibho megӯyand, munosibatho holo xele xub ast…

Muhammad Soleh: “Mo inro bo xushnudӣ paziruftem. Xususan, dar munosibate, ki bo Toҷikiston doshtem, biduni shak, bunbastro az bayn burd. Man in kori xubi Mirziyoevro oshkoro e'tirof va dastgirӣ kardam. Dar haqiqat, on saddi ohanine, ki dar marzi in du kishvar va kishvarhoi digari hamsoya, misli Qirg'izistonu Qazoqiston, dar zamoni Karimov vuҷud dosht, az bayn raft. Man az in rӯydod xele xushhol shudam va pushtibonӣ kardam. Bale, dar siyosati burunmarzӣ, az ҷumla dar ravobit bo kishvarhoi hamsoya, digarguniho hastand. Vale manzuri man siyosati doxilii Mirziyoev ast. Dar doxili kishvar islohoti siyosӣ anҷom nashud.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Baroi anҷomi islohoti doxilӣ ba Mirziyoev va timi ӯ chӣ namerasad, ba nazari Shumo?

Muhammad Soleh: “Ҷasorat namerasad. Agar ҷasurӣ mekard va ba mo – muxolifini rejim – iҷoza medod, ki ba kishvar bargardem, ba haysi nerӯhoi muxolifin az siyosati Mirziyoev pushtibonӣ mekardem. Albata, intiqodro niz qat' namekardem. Dar chunin surate, in rejim metavonist ba dunyo bo tasvire toza xudro muarrifӣ kunad. In amr amalan baroi Uzbekiston metavonist xele mufid boshad. Agar muxolifin ba Uzbekiston bargardand, obrӯi Mirziyoev va e'tibori Uzbekiston ba haysi yak kishvari demokratӣ dar arsai ҷahonӣ bolo meraft. Bargashtani nerӯhoi muxolifin ba kishvar baroi davlat dar amal ba abzore muhim tadbil meyoft. Afsӯs, davlat az in fursat istifoda nakard. Tabiist, ki in daloili aynӣ va zehnӣ dorad. Vale, agar hatto in daloilro kanor guzorem, boz ham dar in vaz'iyat naqshi shaxsi avval muassir ast. Agar shaxsi avval baroi baxshidani muxolifini davlat ҷasorat paydo mekard va in tasmimro megirift, in imkon paydo meshud, ki davlat dar arsai baynalmilalӣ bo tasvire toza xudro muarrifӣ kunad.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Agar ba fa'oliyati muxolifin dar kishvarhoi digari Osiyoi Miyona ham nazar afkanem, mebinem, ki onho umdatan dar xoriҷ az kishvar fa'oliyat mekunand. Sababash chist?

Muhammad Soleh: “Sabab in ast, ki pas az furӯposhii Ittihodi Shӯravӣ dar kishvarhoi Osiyoi Markazӣ nizomi siyosӣ tag'yir nayoft. Payravoni Hizbi kommunist hamchunon dar sari qudratand. Ya'ne, zehniyati kommunistӣ hanӯz ham dar kishvarhoi mo tag'yir nayoftaast. Dar kishvarhoi Baltik in nizom barham xӯrd, hatto dar Rusiya niz barham xӯrd. Albatta, kommunistho dar on kishvar hanӯz ham fa'oland. Vale agar ba muhiti siyosӣ nigoh kunem, mebinem, ki tanho kishvarhoi Osiyoi Markazӣ biduni tag'yir mondaand.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Ba nazari Shumo, illatash chist?

Muhammad Soleh: “Illatash, ba nazari man, in ast, ki zehniyati siyosӣ dar in mintaqa biduni tag'yir mondaast. Zehniyati kommunistӣ dar mo tag'yir nakardaast, afsӯs.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Baroi tag'yiri in vaz'iyat, ba nazari Shumo, chӣ boyad kard?

Muhammad Soleh: “Tag'yiri in vaz'iyat ba irodai mardum vobasta ast. Baroi in boyad sharoit va zaminahoi ta'rixӣ faroham shavad. Mutaassifona, dar in muddat zamina faroham nashud. Bedorӣ va tamoyul ba ozodie, ki dar davroni bozsozӣ (perestroyka) dar mardum paydo shuda bud, dar natiҷai istibdode, ki tӯli 25 soli axir hokim bud, xele zaif shud. On shӯru shavqe, ki dar mardum baroi ozodӣ paydo shuda bud, ba andozae, ki intizor doshtem, natavonist takomul yobad. Darvoqe', 25 sol fursati andake nest. Dar in muddat mo muntazir mondem, vale xususan mardumi Uzbekiston zeri zulmu sarkӯbhoi sangine qaror doshtand. Buzurgtarini onho hodisai Andiҷon bud. Medoned, onҷo sadho nafar kushta shudand. Ba g'ayr az in qatli om, hazorho nafari digar dar zindonho kushta shudand, badarg'a shudand. Ya'ne siyosati qatlu sarkӯb dar hech ҷumhurii digari Shӯravii sobiq ba andozai Uzbekiston rӯy nadodaast. Baroi hamin, dar safi muxolifin budan dar Uzbekiston mas'alai hayotu mamot bud. Agar sadoi muxolifin imrӯz niz vuҷud doshta boshad, fikr mekunam, pas, sham'i umedi mardum to hanӯz furӯzon ast.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: ​Vaqte roҷe' ba ravobiti bayni Uzbekistonu Toҷikiston harf mezanem, ehsos mekunem, ki ba'di ba sari qudrat omadanash Mirziyoev siyosatero, ki dar davroni Karimov hukmfarmo bud, az bayn burd. Az ҷumla poksozii minaho dar marz va g'ayra. Shumo avvalin siyosatmadore hasted, ki mas'alai minahoro matrah va poksozii onhoro taqozo karda buded. Baroi boz ham xubtaru qavitar kardani munosiboti du kishvar chӣ boyad kard, ba nazari Shumo?

Muhammad Soleh: “Yakum, ravodid boyad purra bekor karda shavad. Bayni na tanho in du kishvar, balki tamomi kishvarhoi Osiyoi Markazӣ gumruk boyad az bayn burda shavad. In kishvarho boyad ba haysi qalamravi yagonai iqtisodӣ e'tirof shavand. Albatta, in kishvarho dar siyosati doxilӣ va xoriҷӣ metavonand tasmimhoi xudro ozodona bigirand, vale inҷo boyad yak mintaqai iqtisodii vohid eҷod shavad. Tiҷorat va harakati mardum boyad ozod boshad. Mo yak mardum hastem. Uzbek, toҷik, qirg'iz, qazoq va turkman mardumi yak mintaqa hastem. Metavon guft, yak millat hastem. Boyad in ҷug'rofiyoi vohid dubora ehyo shavad. Mo mardumi barodar hastem. Mo naboyad millatgaro va qavmgaro boshem. Mo hama mardumi bumӣ hastem. Tuli qarnho yakҷo zindagӣ kardem va in boyad idoma yobad. Tuxmi dushmaniro rohbarone misli Karimov koshtand. Karimov minaguzorӣ kard, Karimov ravodid ҷorӣ kard. In korro na Toҷikiston, na Qirg'iziston va na Qazoqiston nakardand. Az merosi Karimov boyad na tanho uzbekho, balki toҷikon, qirg'izon va qazoqon niz xalos shavand. Mo boyad misli yak xalq zindagӣ kunem. Orzui man in ast, dar zamine ki Xudo ba mo dodaast, boyad misli barodar zindagӣ kunem.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Dar in avoxir dar borai payvastani Uzbekiston ba Ittihodi Iqtisodii AvruOsiyo, ki ba'ze onro “bog'chai Rusiya” menomand, suxanoni ziyode meshunavem. Nazari Shumo ba in mas'ala chist? Agar Uzbekiston va yo Toҷikiston ba in ittihodiya bipayvandand, chӣ ittifoqe meuftad?

Muhammad Soleh: “Payomadhoi payvastan ba in ittihodiyaro imrӯz ham dar Qazoqiston mebinem va ham dar Qirg'iziston. Dar ba'ze ҷoyhoi Qirg'iziston mardum alayhi in ittihodiya e'tiroz mekunand. Ya'ne, chizi xubero dar in ittihodiya namebinam. Qazoqho niz az uzviyat dar in ittihodiya norozӣ hastand. Hatto Lukashenko az in ittihodiya shikoyat mekunad. Bo vuҷudi in hama, bovaram nameoyad, ki Uzbekiston ba in ittihodiya tavaҷҷuh dorad. Agar yak uzvi in ittihodiya meguft, ki az in sozmon xele rozӣ ast, zindagii mardum pas az payvastan ba on behtar shudaast, on vaqt meshud dar borai payvastan ba in nihod fikr kard. Vale vaqte ki hama norozӣ hastand, Uzbekiston baroi boz ham badtar kardani vaz'iyati xud chiro boyad in korro kunad? Ba fikri man, ham Toҷikiston va ham Uzbekiston az in ittihodiya boyad fosila bigirand. Mo boyad in nav' hamgiroiro dar mintaqai xud rivoҷ dihem.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Chӣ chizero metavoned dar in zamina peshnihod kuned?

Muhammad Soleh: “Dar navbati avval bayni kishvarhoi hamsoya va barodar boyad hamgiroӣ boshad. Boyad yak ittihodiyai qavӣ va dӯstona bayni panҷ kishvari barodar boshad. Man namegӯyam yak davlat, balki yak ittihodiya boshad, ba'dan mo metavonem dar borai ittihodhoi digare fikr kunem, agar mufid boshad. Dar marhalai kununӣ az in ittihod Uzbekiston hech foida namekunad.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Chӣ guna metavon in ittihodiyai navro soxt, ba nazari Shumo?

Muhammad Soleh: “Ba nazari man, in kori mushkile nest, agar mo az siyosati “misli Karimov” dast kashem. Ba hamon hamgiroii Shӯravӣ nigared. Bo vuҷudi on ki az bayn raft, ammo soyaash hanӯz ham hast. Man namegӯyam, ki yak kishvar boshem. Ba in zarurate nest. Vale, mo boyad hatman hamgiroii siyosӣ doshta boshem. Zero inro ҷug'rofiyoi mo, farhangi mo, urfu odati mo taqozo mekunand. Mo mardumi yak mintaqa nestem magar? Biduni ittihodi vohidi iqtisodӣ vaz'i mo boz ham sangintar meshavad. Agar in korro ba anҷom rasonem, niyoze ba ittihodhoi digare naxohad bud. Man ba in bovar doram.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Bargardem ba suoli avval: chahoryak qarn ast, ki berun az Uzbekiston hasted. Boz chӣ qadar omodaed inҷo muntazir bimoned?

Muhammad Soleh: “Omodaam, to oxiri umr dar intizor bimonam. Ammo qismi asosii umri mo niz siparӣ shud. Harchi Xudo xost, hamon meshavad. Kori man rostgӯ budan va baroi mardumam aqidahoi xubi xudro peshnihod kardan ast. Ammo muvaffaqiyat az Alloh ast. To imrӯz mo rostgӯ budem va rostgӯ xohem mond, ba amri Parvardigor. Ҷoe, ki zulm ast, ba ziddi on hamesha harf xoham zad.”

Radioi Ozodӣ: Metavoned gӯed, ki dar Uzbekiston imrӯz zulm hast?

Muhammad Soleh: “Albatta. Bo vuҷudi in ki man baroi mardum va kishvaram kori bade nakardaam, maro iҷozai vurud ba kishvar namedihand, in xud zulm ast. In zulmi azim ast. Man chӣ kardam? Tamomi umr baroi mardumam xidmat kardam. Man inro metavonam bo rӯyi kushod va sari baland bigӯyam. In haqiqatro mardumi man niz medonand. Inro Mirziyoev niz medonad. Man inro ba tavri misol megӯyam: Charo ba man iҷoza namedihand, ki ba vatanam bargardam? In guna beadolatiho dar Uzbekiston behisob ast: iҷoza nadodan ba fa'oliyati muxolifin; rah nadodan ba islohot va g'ayra. Adolat ba hech shakl ba ҷoe narasida. Albatta, Mirziyoev ba'ze korhoro anҷom medihad, pas az se sol. In korro niz naboyad anҷom medod? Man hatto az korhoi xurdi Mirziyoev niz hamesha pushtibonӣ mekardam. Masalan, az ibtikori ӯ baroi nazdikshavӣ bo Toҷikiston man hamaҷoniba himoyat kardam. Ham bo Qirg'iziston va ham bo Qazoqiston. Boz shudani darho ne'mati buzurge bud. Man xub budani in ibtikorro oshkoro e'tirof kardam. Vale erodi man ba siyosati doxilii kishvar ast. To islohoti siyosӣ anҷom nashavad, ozodii iqtisodӣ faroham nameshavad. Siyosati Karimov chunin bud: avval iqtisod, ba'd siyosat. Na. Qat'an na. Avval siyosat, ba'd iqtisod ast. Agar islohoti siyosӣ nashavad, peshrafti iqtisodӣ niz imkonpazir nest.”

Manba: ozodi.org

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